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PostSubject: HAMLET is back !!!!   Thu 19 Feb - 17:57




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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Thu 19 Feb - 18:52

It is said that each generation gets the Batman/007/hero it deserves. Thus 'tis true of Hamlet, I see.
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Thu 19 Feb - 19:08

The main joke is about Hamlet going into action. Hamlet is a guy who doubts during the whole play, you know, shall I do something, or shall I stay quiet? That's the essence of the play, an intellectual dude who tries to find a justification to DO something. By change, Ahnuld doesn't need any justification, he just slash them all Laughing There would be no play, only a bodycount Laughing

In Conan, the character is a man who thinks but AFTER the action, he considers what happened and what he has just done, oposite to a character like Hamlet who thinks BEFORE the action, and that implies that sometimes there is no action at all. These are different kinds of characters/personalities, the "instictive" and the "intellectual", none of them necessarily implies being more intelligent than the other, it's just the way the character reacts during conflicts. (I learned all that shit during acting classes).
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sat 21 Feb - 13:25

More funny thing was that Arnold was still in his CONAN condition there and wouldve been perfect to make 2-3 more CONAN's from 1988-95. His look was still from Predator, for some reason he lost his look by 1996/97, in ERASER he looked a little drawn and forced.

Maria really must've softened the guy out, even the damn quaility of his movies went down hill shortly after he was married. TOTAL RECALL to me is still 80's Arnold. By T2 and TRUE LIES he considerably softened and lighthearted despite all the violence. Aside from that scene above(and the part when his 2nd favorite cousins houses explodes and rises up against the palm tree like outve PREDATOR), TLAH, Arnold was like a parody of himself in the movie to point it was like he rejecting his former action hero identity(even when he plays Arnold in the movie I felt that was him like in real life bi-polar or something)..he even had that ridiculous hairdo.
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sat 21 Feb - 15:33

Well, I guess it all started with "Twins" and "Kindergarten Cop" around 88-90, when he really became a literal parody of himself, which I think could have worked better same as happened with "Last Action"... That movie's concept is really good -drinks from a Woody Allen film called "Purple Rose of Cairo"-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purple_Rose_of_Cairo

but in truth is just another action movie, more than a movie about fans (and heroes) of action movies -which would have been much more interesting-. Arnold doesn't make funny enough of himself, I think, when he plays himself with his wife is like, ok, give some more blood, c'mon, this is just so-so.

In Spain, funny enough, Arnold has always very loved (and still is because his movies, though is not too popular as polititian) and same time he has been caricaturized many times in TV dubbing him with an hilarious accent of spanish redneck. Almost every guy I know likes his movies and considers them masterpieces and same time are able to laugh their asses off with the caricaturization. (Yes, me included rabbit )


I don't really know the reason Arnold got so heartlighted, I mean the concrete reason, because it's obvious he was just searching for a wider audience and popularity. But I smell the reasons were probably connected with his political plans, maybe he just needed to "clean" his image and add a "trustable guy" character to the audiences, one with more conservative and familiar values who could be elected as president. But I'm just guessing.


BTW, in T2 (shot in 1990 i think) Arnold's physique has changed a lot, look:





That is 7 years after the first TERMINATOR, see:



My god, look at those boobs Yeahhhh! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sat 21 Feb - 18:02

I'll be the first to say though, that after only 8 months of not working out and just enjoying life, you loose a lot of your physique. I used to be in great shape and had bulging arms from two years of constant rock climbing, but when I moved to a place with nowhere to climb; I got flabby fast! My arms shrank, and I lost a lot of musscle in less than one year. I can only imagine how much training he was doing every day to keep that look he had. I remember the training schedule in Conan was an all day workout. Though it would be awesome to have it: Sword training, horseback riding, lifting, ect..
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sun 22 Feb - 12:58

He got very thinner. In T1 his build was more consistant for CONAN 1, CONAN II I thought he looked terrible, was too thin and cut up. T2 his arms were mainly shown and some close ups of pec shots. His build in T2 looked directly outve RED HEAT.

TWINS and KINDERGARTEN COP I let go as comedies, just his action movies were eh. T2 he didnt kill anyone, and I thought shouldve been PG-13 rather than rated R. I guess PREDATOR and TOTAL RECALL is the last of the movies I truly accept as pure Arnold. Stallone I would place at CLIFFHANGER, he surely had the best movie that year in 1993.

JUDGE DREDD & DEOMOLITION MAN werent bad, but too lighthearted. GET CARTER I enjoyed more than END OF DAYS, I thought Stallones characterization was very good and he looked good but the direction was weak.

TANGO AND CASH was WAY superior thant LAH, and it too was a action comedy but more serious and more a buddy cop flick.

Arnold was always interesting in the Governorship of California since like 1981 and in 1988 his insterest was very high, so certainly a reason he may of turned down CONAN-like movies and invest in bad comedies and more lighhearted approach to action movies.
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Mon 23 Feb - 20:28

I just thought, the very first time Arnold made a parody of himself was really in CONAN THE DESTROYER. The Mann script is full of jokes in Conan=Retard style and heartlighted tone. Also the main hidden idea of Fleisher would have been making a parody of the Milius' film -which I don't think he really liked that much-, some kind of "Mel Brooks" or "Scary Movie" shit, making fun of Arnold. Just look at the shots he took of him, those are absolutely intentional. Is closer to GROO THE WANDERER than to the Milius' Conan, and so.

Of course, but Fleisehr never told about that to Arnold, in interviews he speaks like he is taking the role very seriously and so, like this Conan is really the same character than before... I imagine Arnold wasn't really concious about he was shitting in his own character. Dunno... This movie has allways been labelled as an "action movie" but really I truly believe is conceived as a parody.

Not in the "serious fan edition" of course, there the movie yeah, is an "action movie" which is not that bad.

"Red Sonja" by change was strange, was hearlighted but also gory, and Anrold's character wasn't a comical one, there was no parody at all -thank set-.
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Tue 24 Feb - 14:08

Arnold's humor was also in CTB, but he hardly spoke and it was tamed. CTD was unrestrained Arnold and the type of humor and self-parody you'd see more later on. Some parts in CTD he was solid like in CTB..
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sat 28 Feb - 17:33

KING LEAR starring Arnold in the Spielberg's movie "THE LOST WORLD".



Funny enoough, Milius said his script for KING CONAN was kinda KING LEAR like
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PostSubject: Re: HAMLET is back !!!!   Sat 28 Feb - 19:12

A retiring old man Arnold/Conan was never a good idea and its more a commercial route for a younger would be Arnold/Conan. The King Conan script clearly shows that.

Speilberg did the same thing in Indiana Jones 4 with "Mutt Williams" character.

Moreover, I think Milius shouldve used his CTB 1st Draft script for CONAN III, and added some of his KING CONAN ideas to it.
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