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PostSubject: Addicted To Arnold   Sat 30 Jan - 6:10




"When 19-year-old Barbara Outland was approached by a massive young Austrian, she could not in her wildest dreams have known the impact he would have on her. Get more as the one closest to Arnold at the time shares her accounts".

Barbara Outland was Arnold's girlfriend for six years (1969-1975) and is also the author of the book "Arnold and Me: In the Shadow of the Austrian Oak". I recommend this interview on Bodybuilding.com: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/arnold_ex_girlfriend_interview.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Sat 30 Jan - 16:07

What a very interesting interview! Thanks! Now I am very curious about the book of this woman...
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Thu 4 Feb - 16:17

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So maybe she mocked it and maybe he developed a different point of view about it. I really don't know.

I think this also occured with regards to his movie career. Wink

Arnold's conceitedness and the fact that he was a user is really his biggest evil, but the one that made him the success he sort to be. Interesting how he liked making jokes on people but highly disliked when the joke was on him, the type that likes to dish it out but not take it back. Sure he'd have more respect for you if you stand your ground rather than be a just a pawn. Only flip side is he may not forget and forgive and pay you back in return at some point down the line by some other means as pay back.

I think in Barbara's case he was through with her really once he deflowered her, which may of been his primarily interest in her since she was a virgin. She really seemed more an anchor to somebody that wanted to get into movies and politics.

One thing I dont buy really is that Arnold wasnt well into money even before Weider. The two-man brick layer front company thing is funny between him and Columbu but I doubt was successful. He was very successful in Europe prior, and even owned a gym I believe. Arnold's drug abuse with Steroids(breakfast of champions as he once said) was noted and he perhaps made money selling Steroids which wouldnt surprise me any since they were legal back then.
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Thu 4 Feb - 18:18

At some point he discovered that making fun out of himself could bring more success to him, and more money.

It was about the time of "The Destroyer" when he was convinced by DeLaurentiis that the next Conan needed that, and he (Dino too) said that the Milius' movie lacked of more jokes... It was about the time Arnold was marrying Maria, that's true, but who knows if she was guilty of this next comedy side or not... Milius was actually putting him into some comedy situations but not actually laughing of him, just showing some not-too-digne or naïve sides, also Milius surely had Arnold totally in his hands, promising him how great and powerful he was gonna be on the movie, therefore I don't think Milius had too much problems on convincing him on doing some comedy.

The parodies are different matter. "The Destroyer" was more than a concious parody, just a try to do a Conan for kids. I don't know if Arnold was actually aware he was going to look so bad and ridiculous... ...Still later he exploited his more freakish side on later movies and ultimately he did a good try of self-parody with LastActionHero, this time a true parody of the character he had portrayed for years. It could have been better, though, but was a good try overal.

About not letting anybody laugh of him, look at this video: Mr. Green




It's very interesting the analysis that Barbara made of him, how he was bullied by his father and brother and therefore he developed an extremely agressive attitude to not let that happen again. And also gives sense to his agressive ractions when he could felt agressed. Also, not wanting to change or analyze his personality mostly because besides all the suffering he needed to overcome to become who he was, the effort was worth and therefore he didn't wanted to change at all. Reason why his movies or characters or even his media character aren't too deep, even though when he clearly is a brilliant dude.
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Thu 4 Feb - 19:04

Yes, but Arnold welcomed Fliescher with open arms, because of the FACT he wanted more comedy-- read any interview Arnold did for CONAN II, lol.

Arnold's alcoholic father,stuff, couldve been partial truth, or Arnold couldve made it all up. Minhard from what I read was his father's favorite and he was into sports and a boxer. Arnold was and is, a storyteller(even Barbara mentions this). For his mother to remain with a man that beat her and her sons, and even respect him after death, is a bit hard to swallow. I suspect if you want real opinions of Arnold you'd have to visit his local area in Austria but that may not be easy since he couldve bought their silence as Arnold isnt above shelling out dough to get what he wants and from who he wants. He paid some Jewish groups to gain their acceptance so they wouldnt go pestering him about his old man's connections to Nazi Party or his own pro-Hitler remarks and other recorded commenting he's documented on from his youth.

But it does make me more believe why Arnold refused to have Lou Forrigno star opposite him in CONAN which Milius wanted.
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Thu 4 Feb - 23:21

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Yes, but Arnold welcomed Fliescher with open arms, because of the FACT he wanted more comedy-- read any interview Arnold did for CONAN II, lol.

Yes, but I suspect Dino conveinced him for that. Arnold sold on all these interviews something that I doubt was his original idea. He originally wanted to be John Wayne or Clint Eastwood, not a comedian. I think in the interviews he was just doing his part, defending the concept of someone's else as every actor must do as a part of their contracts after filming a movie.

Dino had very specific ideas of what movies and genres should be. He changed them without major problems, but he was "the brain". Arnold in the interviews I think was a sort of Dino's puppet, exactly the same with Fleisher who totally sold his soul to Dino. It's interesting to read the parts where Fleisher speaks about "The Destroyer", repeting things like an audiotape and then changes to speak about his previous true own movies. Seems like another person is talking.


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For his mother to remain with a man that beat her and her sons, and even respect him after death, is a bit hard to swallow.

Not at all, man. Sounds pretty close to reality, indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Thu 4 Feb - 23:53

In the interviews I've read Arnold was all for a lighter CONAN. Milius may of just wanted more money for the sequel and didnt get and so walked. and when you read interviews with him, he didnt seem all very interested in making a second movie and we've discussed this before. As much as I would like to blame Dino, this doesn't seem his fault. And CTD actually bloody had more bodies and Arnold action. Milius by how own admission deliberately toned down the violence in post production and yet claim he didnt have to cut out to much,lol.

The original movie had many comic moments, even Subtotai and Mako are comic releif, just not blantant like a Tracy Walther Malak.

Bottom line is they're all storytellers, its the business I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Sat 6 Feb - 8:13

Cromulus, the early wealth of Arnold is an interesting question. I think his status of rich man in the 70s is a myth that was invented later.

From Wikipedia, about Arnold and Barbara: "The couple first met six to eight months after his arrival in the U.S. – their first date was watching the first Apollo Moon landing on television.[13] They shared an apartment in Santa Monica for three and a half years, and having little money, would visit the beach all day, or have barbecues in the back yard".
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PostSubject: Re: Addicted To Arnold   Sat 6 Feb - 19:01

It could have been.

He must've however made out good with Weider and some of his real estate investments which he put some money in. Arnold had his eye on politics during the late 70's and clearly the early 80's, which was around the time he met Maria(1978 or 79). Am sure he came to the USA with atleast $50-100,000 in the bank, he was never a regular average immigrant, so the "rags to riches" story of his life isnt true. His family werent poor either. I think Arnold also claimed his hometown and nation were under Soviet occupation when he was growing up which isnt true either.
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