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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 28 Jun - 6:03

This prehistoric microcontinent of CIMMERIA would be what now is Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan.





A landscape of the prehistoric CIMMERIA:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 28 Jun - 6:11

Howard's Cimmeria was like a partial frozen mountainous wasteland. His fantasy world wasnt the Neolithic either, Howard's world was plucked out've HG Wells and standard Theosophy really.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 29 Jun - 7:38

I edited some old posts about the spanish cities were CTB was filmed, specially the last one about ALMERIA.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 29 Jun - 12:18

That above would make more sense-- as Howard's nonsensical fantasy world included South America, and his Hyborian Age Picts were more akin to Amerindians than any European tribesmen. Also CONAN was like Jack Dempsey, the half Irish and half Amerindian boxer.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 29 Jun - 17:34

Oh, I didn't see them before, but THERE WAS Mongolian yurts builded for the exterior views of the Zamorian cities:

Cobb's concept art including Yurts and Tents:








Real yurts from Central Asia:











In the movie, I had only realized about the classic tents.

Though they are also pretty common used by the nomad tribes of the Asian desert.


A Nomad Encampment, SE Afghanistan



A bucolic scene between Ghazni and Kabul, located maybe 200 meters from the paved road that connects these two cities. The black tents of these nomads greatly resembles those of the Baluch nomadic types. Lifestyles are the same though this group of what appears to be Pashtun nomads (aka "kutchis'") are not known as weavers of pile rugs.




Another encampment of nomads in SE Afghanistan. These children amuse themselves, playing with anything that is available, which translates to rocks, grass, dirt and an occasional piece of wood. In the background, between the two black tents, one can see two dogs, the fierce watchdogs kept by nomad to protect the flock and themselves from intruders. This photo was taken with a telephoto lens, not daring to venture too close to the tents.








Iranian Balouch

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 29 Jun - 18:57

Look like African Swazi Huts or something too there. I know Milius used some Blacks there in the market, as "Kothians" or whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbabane
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 5 Jul - 2:59

Frances Bacon Statue:


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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 10 Jul - 6:47

This Roman pelt symbol is seen all over the characters in the CONAN movies...





http://shopping.erol.co.uk/product/Roman-Peltiform-Belt-Mount-008990.html
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 15 Jul - 9:15

Yes, Rexor uses it a lot. But also Valeria had it in its armour, and once i wondered if Valeria could not have stole that armour from some Sethian guard.

Also Bombaata had it in the Destroyer.

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 15 Jul - 10:40

I really dont know why she was sporting it, it doesnt make sense. One would guess for the 2nd picture things were just re-used/recycled over, but perhaps being that both movies are stuck in Zamora, maybe it was supposed to be some local fashion symbol?! rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 31 Jul - 7:56



Sacred Egg of Heliopolis, and Typhon’s Egg.
From Bryant’s Mythology, Vol. III, p. 62.


Benu Bird


The Pheonix

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 6 Aug - 16:46

The Roman Lion, one of the symbols identified by Ceasar and the Emperors:



Alexander the Great:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 9 Aug - 8:52

THE GODDESS OF SUBOTAI


What is this anthropomorphic symbol in Subotai's sword?




Pretty similar to the NEOLITHIC Goddess symbols of Europe:

This schematic figure comes from Bronze age -similar synthethis:



But it's even closer to this another figurine:



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Nile River Goddess For the ancient Egyptians, who called themselves the Kemi, her hook-shaped hands symbolized Regeneration. This transformative aspect is further imaged by the graceful, crescent-sweeping arms uplifted in a drawing down the moon gesture. The Mother Goddess in late Neolithic times was equated with bird and animal life; her birdlike head is suggestive of later death-bringing vulture goddesses such as Neith and Mut (The Kemian word mother, in fact, was depicted by the vulture hieroglyph.) Here in one evocative image of life-death-life is shown the core of Kemian wisdom, the principle of reincarnation.

The prehistoric Egipt figurine shares some resemblances with the Minoan Snake Goddesses:



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This lunar fertility goddess was known for her athletic prowess. Serpents, symbols of rebirth, were ritually handled by her priestesses, whose bare-breasted costumes suggest the sacred role of sexuality in the Minoan culture.

Serpent Goddess promotes trance and dream time. The energy exuded by the snakes of this Cretan maiden exemplify sexuality, regeneration, and the mysterious otherworld of spirit journeying.

It was discovered in the underground repository of the Second Palace of Knossos (1600 BCE] and was worshiped in Crete as early as 6000 BCE. She depicts the benevolence and sacred power of the Life Force, holding high the two serpents of immortality. The tiny panther or lion cub on her headdress may connect the goddess to the fertility rites of the wine god Dionysos or denote an altered state of consciousness.

See that the serpent worhipping was highly related to sexuality and psychodelia, so there we have the Orgy and Doom's cult.


So even thought is never mentioned in the movie, I strongly think the Goddess was highly worshipped in the Milius' prehistoric world. It's everywhere, also in the Stout storyboard were the mother of Conan is related to Owls. This is an Owl Goddess of the Neolithic.




And I also believe SET is nothing but a Goddess again. The SNAKE is the symbol of the Earth's energy, very sexual and creative but also dangerous and predative.

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New Grange, Ireland



The Great Serpent Mound located near Locus Grove, Ohio. Built between 100B.C.-700A.D. by what is thought to be the Adena cultures. This scuplted mound of earth is 1348 feet long, 20 feet wide and 2 feet 6 inches high.


In prehistory CAVES were supposedly entrances to the womb of the Mother Earth, also portals to the lair of the Snake. Supposedly SET -a giant snake who lives under the Earth-.



You can see one of the portals to the Mother Goddess is the mouth of a giant serpent (¿SET?). The other one would perfectly be a Volcano -Hephestos world-. Also, a Volcano is somehow again an open Dragon's mouth.

This cave is called "Dragon's mouth".



To enter in the Underworld one must die, first -in real o methaphoric way-, then the hero enters in the Underworld and if he is lucky he would met the Goddess.

An open "snake mouth" as an entrance to the Underworld -(precolumbian mayan)-. The door to the underworld sometimes also had the form of a vagina (see the movie "Beowulf"). The trip to the underworld was heavily practised by any young shaman as a manhood experience. They took drugs and entered in unilluminated temples with long corridors full of snakes and scorpions. Some of them poisonous, some of them not. It was a test of fear.



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Other "Entrances to the Underworld" images:







The entrance to Actun Tunichil Muknal cave in Belize. In order to the enter the cave, you have to swim through a 20 ft deep pool of crystal clear, very cool water for about 25 feet. This cave is/was a Mayan religious site where were the remains of 14 sacrificial victims and over 200 ceremonial pottery vessels have been discovered:





Now it's clear to relate "The Kitchen" scene and the neanderthals who live ALWAYS in caves, and SET. Also, neanderthals as Set worshippers has been always a constant in pop culture, as they were always worshippers of the Great Mother Earth -who sometimes was portrayed as evil-. For example in "The 13th warrior" movie, they worshipped the Goddess.

There's a GREAT mistake there as the Venus of Willendorf -the figurine that the Neanderthals in the movie worshipped- is homo sapiens made, as the neanderthas didn't made any kind of -known- art.

But in the videogame "CONAN- the Dark Axe" the neanderthals there again worship a giant Venus of Willendorf statue.



This misconceptions are christian culture visions, as the neanderthals have been always seen as "repugnant and inferior" and also the goddess religions, and any kind of sexual religions, and then all was named SATANISM, so it's not strange the christian vision put all that together in the same cage.

A final meeting with the Mother Goddess -(as "the snake lady")- in mayan art. The disguise of the human form of the Goddess as a snake is pretty common.



Iron Age in Spain has some certain myths of beautiful ladies transformed into snakes and living in caves. They appear -in human naked and voluptuous form- only to those who enter in the cave -again an Underoworld trìp- with PURE SOUL -this talks about a shamanic purge and training-.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 13 Sep - 2:21

Daedalus and the Nymph (1975 to 1978) by Ernst Fuchs






PS: I found that great image in this page:

http://www.solidariteetprogres.org/article3635.html

Which apparently had an article about fascist symbolism in videogames. Cool! I thought. I translated it with google -rough shit but well- and found a total dissapointing and one of the biggest mountain of crap ever read -and i've read tons of shitty articles in shitty pages-...

As usual, there was some kind of strange conservative-like writter who simply talks about what he dislikes, and labels it as fascist. Reading it I think that persona has no idea about what fascist means and no idea about what he wants to say at all... Go figure, he say that DALI and ERNST FUCHS were pro-nazi and friends of Hitler. Laughing Sure! Lol Hitler would have burned both of them alive, there coudn't be anything more "degenerated" in the eyes of the fucking führer than the art of these both. Starting from there, all the rest of the article is just hilarious.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 13 Sep - 4:12

The Sun with the moon below:



I was also looking up Wadjet the serpent goddess sometimes depicted with a lions head or a snakes;



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Wadjet_N5139_mp3h8831.jpg

http://www.ladyoftheflame.co.uk/gfx/wadjit1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadjet
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 15 Sep - 0:12

Have you ever find something about Egyptian Set as a snake? Once I read somewhere he was depicted as a snake in really very few artworks, as he was more a dog I think. Though I never found any pic of that
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 15 Sep - 0:25

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I dont have a good picture of movie Toth-Amon and my scanner isnt hooked up at the moment, but i know he wears the breastplate with the Eagle or Falcon(Horus?) holding the Eye, and theres eye lashes, and below the eye there is symbolism of light or energy rays shooting out from the Eye.



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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 15 Sep - 0:42

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Have you ever find something about Egyptian Set as a snake? Once I read somewhere he was depicted as a snake in really very few artworks, as he was more a dog I think. Though I never found any pic of that

From what I read over the years he was originally much praised by the people, and wasnt wholly associated with evil or negativity. However later on as new pharaohs chose their own personal deities, Set was placed lower in rank or altered to something more evil. The Greeks considered Set the equivalent to Typhonus the Chthonic titan god(likely an early version of Vulcan). Set was probably intermixed by the Egyptians themselves at some point with Apep(the evil giant Serpent).

Excellent with Toth-Amon there, surely his costume is the only thing relating him to Thulsa Doom and the cult of Set.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 16 Sep - 8:08

Turd, in "Indiana Jones and the last Crusade" in the Austrian Nazi HQ mansion they use the two Serpents facing eachother as the lever to the secret door in the fireplace when their tied they hit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 16 Sep - 13:09

Let's see.

Here?



Hah, yeah it's true. Looks like a caduceus.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 16 Sep - 20:50

Also in Raiders they used the Serpent-Headed god statue in the pit of snakes aka "well of souls". Not sure if that was representing Apep/Set or not though.

In the new movie(which was so-so) they used the Aztec Serpent heads:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 16 Sep - 21:02

The "Dragon" crypt in CTD, looks more like a demonic Frog, which should be Dagoth from Marvel:



http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dagoth.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 4:44

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Also in Raiders they used the Serpent-Headed god statue in the pit of snakes aka "well of souls". Not sure if that was representing Apep/Set or not though.

In Temple of Doom they used a cobra sculpture above the giant stone skull that had the 3 shankahra stones, between the feet of the giant statue of Kali. I posted some pics months ago in a post talking about thugees I think... Apparently REH had a snake phobia same as Indy.

In the "Raiders" I though the statue was Anubis God of the Dead .

http://www.indyjones.it/predatorigal/32.jpg

http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/newegypt/images/large/anubis.jpg

Though Set was also represented with black skin -as the statues in the Indy movie- and the head of a DOG (also a Donkey) sometimes so could be... Dogs and Donkeys were related in the bible as as symbol of "perverted sexuality", and also dogs were considered eaters of the dead and cannibals, so we find a good relation here with the Milius' movie.

Set was also related to the babylonian god BAAL.

In early production drawings the statues represent several gods though.

http://www.indianajones.de/pictures.php?pic=http://www.indianajones.de/indy1/pics/indy_behind_sketch_09.jpg

William Stout was involved there anyway.


The "production art" guy in "Temple" was the same as in "Last Crusade" and also worked as concept artist in an old movie with Troy McClure Mr. Green called "Warlords of Atlantis" with rubber dinosaurs and some kind of barbarian underwater Atlantis.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IGcPoXkEPio/SJSqqTtQCRI/AAAAAAAAQ5k/c2y830J-nRI/warlords_of_atlantis_poster_02.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 5:28

Cobb and Stout worked on Indiana, least Cobb did I know, yeah.

Troy? Do you mean Doug McCLure? The last link isnt working there either.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 6:47

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The last link isnt working there either.

here it is : http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/293/warlordsofatlantispostedg7.jpg

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