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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 7:36

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Troy? Do you mean Doug McCLure?

Aren't the same one? Mr. Green
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 7:52

There was one with McClure where he fights the evil Samurai like Neanderthal warriors lead by some fat green man in a volcano where he sacrifices people..rather Thulsa Doom/ and even Mola-Ram like, or rather they were like it.

I think it was the one with her:

http://cavegirlsinfurbikinis.blogspot.com/2008/02/cavegirl-dana-gillespie.html

Edit yep;

http://cavegirlsinfurbikinis.blogspot.com/2008/02/people-that-time-forgot-part-2.html


Also looks like castle Greyskull for christsake..but this was WAY before He-Man, and has the evil Samurai Neanderthals, lol






*"CONAN Against Darkess" uses more movie Setian symbolism:



http://hyboria.xoth.net/adventures/conan_against_darkness.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 19:57

hah I remember these movies, had cheesy fx though I kinda enjoyed them, Rolling Eyes the posters were really great -and as usual promised much more than the real movie had-. All the posters had a frazettian style that was very attractive when I was 10 or so Mr. Green Even the rubber monsters were kinda tolerable. I remember having a love-hate relationship with "The land that time forgot" which had a great start with scenes like this:

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/landforgot/landforgot3.jpg

But as the movie goes showed others like this:

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/landforgot/landforgot5.jpg

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/landforgot/landforgot8.jpg

There was some neanderthals there and all that, can't really remember but it was kinda inspired by some ERBurroughs Pellucidar story. The makeups and designs of the cavemen were really really bad. It was good Milius choose not to use the neanderthals if they would ended looking THAT way... Would have ruined the movie. Also if he would have the balls to include dinosaurs, shit, go imagine Conan vs a rubber lizard suit ala Toho Shocked Though in "Quest for Fire" they used real lions with plastic long fangs as sabretooth and they looked great. Prefer that than any cgi beast. Stop-motion is nice but doesn't work well with real actors fighting them, the dinos allways bited the air and the men allways hitted the air with their weapons for long minutes... Rolling Eyes

What was Milius supposed to do with that HALF THE SKY movie, -supposedly there will be dinosaurs there, right- he thought about stop-motion or what? scratch



That Greyskull lol it's kinda cool even when it's so clearly a painting but these movies were so cheap one was allways hoping for whatever they had, even when it was just for a laugh. There was a comic book about a barbarian ala Conan, dated from the early 70's if im not wrong, that had a castle CLONE to Greyskull toy. Look:



The comic is dated 1972.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 21:58

I still think the lose of not having a true effects master, damaged CONAN's production value. Even ILM & VCE's work was limited. But Milius ended up deleting most of the creature/FX scenes or cutting them short as not to be too Sinbadish and then the idea was not to be Raiders of the lost Ark. Then movies like Dragonslayer and Clash of the Titans were coming out, seems again Milius didnt want to the film to look like a ripoff I suppose--but then again Milius also ended up cutting most of the gore out and didnt want it too bloody so go figure.

But these B-movies from 70's were surely a big inspiration on Milius
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 17 Sep - 23:14

Looks like Arnold's King Conan is fighting them Samurai from above afterall:



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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 26 Sep - 1:17

Cobb worked in "Raiders" with Stout same time they were starting with Conan. Cobb was credited but not sure if Stout was.

Not sure if any of them worked in later Indy films but I don't think so. Right? study

Cobb also mentioned he was inspired by the aztec serpents designs of Mexico for Thulsa-Doom cult, thought he tried to create an unique style.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 19 Oct - 17:51

It seems the WHeel of Pain was also influenced from the Historical Wheel of Death or Breaking Wheel first developed in Greece and later became very popular in Spain, France, Germany and the Norse countries in the Middle Ages. Its more a torturous version of a lazy susan as well.

The Breaking Wheel:


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Breaking on the wheel was a form of torturous execution formerly in use, especially in ancient Greece (where it originated), France, Germany, Sweden, and Russia.

The wheel itself was typically a large wooden wagon wheel, with many radial spokes, but a wheel was not always used. In some cases the condemned was lashed to the wheel and beaten with a club or iron cudgel, with the gaps in the wheel allowing the cudgel to break through. Alternatively, the condemned was spreadeagled and broken on a Saint Andrew's cross consisting of two wooden beams nailed in an "X" shape,[1][2] after which the victim's mangled body might be displayed on the wheel.[3] In other cases, such as the execution of the parricide Franz Seuboldt in Nuremberg, 22 September 1589, a wheel was used as a cudgel: the executioner used wooden blocks to raise Seuboldt's limbs, then broke them by slamming a wagon wheel down onto the limb.[4]

In France the condemned were placed on a cart-wheel with their limbs stretched out along the spokes over two sturdy wooden beams. The wheel was made to slowly revolve, and a large hammer or an iron bar was then applied to the limb over the gap between the beams, breaking the bones. This process was repeated several times per limb.

(Pretty much a CONAN movie image aye?!LOL)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel

* Romans used it to torture criminals and it associated also with Christian martyrs and saints like Catherine of Alexandria specifically(Catherine's Wheel).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Alexandria
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 5 Dec - 16:20

There was a true KING OSRIC in Scotland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osric_of_Northumbria

He fairly looks like Von Sydow in the movie:

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/monarchs/images/osric_hwicce_statue.jpg

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/monarchs/images/osric_hwicce_monument.jpg

http://www.nashfordpublishing.co.uk/monarchs/images/osric_hwicce_window1.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 8 Dec - 19:29

Some symbolist art from the bginning of the 20th century


"The way to Hell", Alfred Kubin (1904)





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This next art is related to lesbian sexuality:

"Sleeping Earth and Waking Moon" (Evelyn (Pickering) de Morgan, ca. 1900)



Is reminiscent of the very origin of the character, when she is visited by the vision of a goddess who prohibites her to have any kind of sexual relationship with a man:



The scene was present in the Richard Fleisher's "Red Sonja" movie, and there even some kind of lesbian attraction by the queen Gedren to Sonja is suggested.

The character of Sonja isn't described as lesbian, but more as a woman who chooses chastity. Though, the lesbian symbolism is presented in some way or another.


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Franz Flaum "Vampire," sculpture (ca. 1904)





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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 25 Dec - 17:56

Was just viewing this Greek Helmet, very Doom like again:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 7 Jan - 8:16

TEMPLE OF SET in Luxor:

http://www.pamchile.com/cairo_2005/c164abydos1.html
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 7 Jan - 15:30

Cobb should've add some hieroglyphs in the temples of Set. I always felt they were too plain.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 10 Feb - 20:22

I was viewing this Etruscan mural last week:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 10 Feb - 22:32

You mean in a museum?
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 11 Feb - 21:37

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 8 Mar - 13:33

Native-American moon goddess, art by Will Stout.



It's the goddess in her benefic side, (Ix-Chell in Mayan mythology) also mutates into the aztec snake-monster Coatlicue when pissed off Mr. Green
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 8 Mar - 14:52

Thats a nice piece. The woman looks too Mediterranean rather than Amerindian though, typical problem when doing Aztecs,lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 15 Apr - 4:49

I found these two pieces of Japanese art, from the 19th Century. Both are about a muscled (samurai) warrior killing a giant serpent.



The fisrt one is kinda Hercules-like.



Didn't know giant snakes were also present in Japanese mythology, neither that any samurai fought against any.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 14 May - 18:02

An illustration of the ASSASINS OF ALAMUT (the haschis eaters), cult which was the inspiration for the Cult of Set (and the orgy parties):





Art by Eaglenebula
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 28 Aug - 12:39

Death of Ajax. HERY SERRUR, 1920.

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 7 Sep - 18:44

The logo of the ROBERT JORDAN s&s series "THE WHEEL OF TIME":





Jordan also has written some Conan pastiches.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Tue 6 Oct - 19:43

Though not directly related with the movie, I just found this truly amazing piece and I wanted to share it, I think you will love it.

It's "COURSE OF THE EMPIRE" by Thomas Cole, a series of paintings depicting the construction and decadence of the Roman Empire.


It starts with "The Savage State", a kind of prehistoric age. Then moves to later more civilized states and finally, take a look at THIS, the destruction of the Roman Empire by the Barbarians Conan :

http://ns1.the-athenaeum.org/art/display_image.php?id=17129

that one was used as inspiration in the 2004 movie "TROY".



The whole series:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Course_of_Empire



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Also, I found this painting by Solomon J Solomon ("AJAX and CASSANDRA" 1886). Kind of reminds Conan and Jasmina downstairs:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Wed 28 Oct - 1:46

Orthodox patriarchate of Jerusalem:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 29 Oct - 4:23

Heh, good find. Looks also like that Merlin staff from Excalibur.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 29 Oct - 6:12

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