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PostSubject: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 21:04

....sorta like that Dr. Kananga/Mr.Big like Voodoo priest drug dealer from "Live and Let Die".

I cant help but get the feeling that Milius' Yaro the Kothian/Kushite(Nubian) voodoo like priest of Set in his Tower with the giant Serpent was modeled on this marvel charcter...and then later Milius' James Earl Jones' Thulsa Doom was molded into Yaro and again based on this Marvel Comics character along with Thulsa Doom/Thugra Khotan/Lanti/Amon ect.

Also not to mention the under theme, with drugs, the Black Lotus(heroin?) and Mushrooms(acid) and hippy like followers galore. Interesting the Zereta character from the KULL movie was quite close to the Solitaire character from this James Bond movie. I had the feeling that Thulsa Doom was just a ancient drug dealer when I was younger, but couldnt prove it,lol.

Spawn of Set Damballah
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/damballahset.htm




^Giant Snake from the Tower?

Voodoo Damballah
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/damball2.htm





^ Thulsa Doom?


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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 21:28

Also Yaro/Rexor/ Doom were modeled also on Jim Jones of course.

Jones was a major drug addict(as were his followers):
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His drug usage (including various LSD and marijuana experimentations) was confirmed by his son, Stephan, and Jones's doctor in San Francisco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

Doom and his Fungus garden.. drunken Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 22:59

......pass the cool-aid already,reverent Jim!
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 23:08

Milius was the Spiritual Adviser on that Chuck Norris "Lone Wolf McQuade" movie. Maybe they shouldve called it "Lonewolf McQualude".. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 23:24

......Thulsa [the prophet of ] "Doom".....Jesus [the one called] "Christ" (annointed with oil).Messiahs.Is there a connection?Lesse what we got here[themes]:snakes,shedding one's old skin,baptism,shedding off one's past sinful life,flowers,wine,crosses,crucificial trees,bread,candles,vines,fish ehhh,what else?Oh right...let go of ur folks and follow me (your parents,your leaders etc. ).....moreso in the stuff cut:when I will ask u etc....the day of Doom,Judgement day,armageddon,the apocalypse.......and lotsa dying as a martyr for the god....Nietzsche works wonders again.Very appropriate to use Doom and not a Thoth.
Even the snake/arrow trick is somewhere out of the old Testament,but it is that trick's opposite,the rod that turned into a snake.Very ironic.
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 23:29

Snakes were seen as either good or evil in those days, even today. The sign of healing is the Snake's on the staff..its the sign of Asklepios. It is believed also that Jesus was member of a local cult.

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Asklepios was symbolized by the snake, and indeed, this creature was commonly associated with the god in cult and ritual. It was also believed that Asklepios took the shape of a snake on occasion.

http://www.loggia.com/myth/asklepios.html

Even CONAN has Christ-like attributes in the film. instead of becoming the leader of a new cult and to be worshiped by fools, he walks away, but does turn back and extend his hand to save the Princess, break the spell and brought her back to her kingdom as promised.
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Sat 17 Nov - 23:58

Stone's Thulsa Doom was more sinister and demi-god powerful driven by purpose..like the god Typhon himself even. Milius' Doom was left deliberately a charlatan and more a human magician/ Cult leader who wanted to marry into a local run down Kingdom for legitimacy. I think Milius intended for the audience to not know whether his feats of magic were real or slights of hand plus tricks caused from people on drug induced stupors feeding the frenzy or mastery of hypnosis .

Like that one instance, were Rexor gave a certain look of dis-beleif when Doom turned the snake into a arrow by his command, like he didnt believe he turned a snake into an arrow though he's been with him for 15-20 years...LOL

The whole point of the end, and why the people "woke up", was cause Doom was killed. but their is that brief moment where Conan pauses.

The stair of Thulsa Doom couldve been Medusa-like or Doom was just a hypnotist.

The only problem I have with his Doom, was he appeared weak or to not have been as powerful as portrayed, which can work both ways really, theres pros and cons there. One major problem was Akiro can summon creator power and Doom was to much the pimp and drug dealer.

Milius was using the backstory of Stone's basis but omitted to much and even more when he cut alotve the storyarcs(subplots) out from his scripts and even movie. Even the Frazetting-like scene with father's sword and lightning on Cimmeria was cut out and CONAN was freed by Red hair's nice personality, rather than the miraculous deadly earth quake.

I think Milius wanted a fast paced and generic story,(probably with all the fantasy movies around he feared CONAN would be seen as another clone or he wanted a more normal sword tale as possible) thats why there wont be a Directors Cut.

The bottom line I think is when Milius lost alotve his original casting choices and couldnt get the creature effects, or had second thoughts and wasnt satisfied with certain things..he made a different movie.

I like reading the scripts and novel ..if they couldve one day film this, I may die happy. :doom:
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PostSubject: Re: Earl Jones' Doom was Damballah?   Thu 29 Nov - 14:58

Was just watching that 1970's(mainly for the very nubile Caroline Munro of course) Doug McClure/peter Cushing film "At the Earth's Core" . There's a Reptoid species which reminded me of Milius' Thulsa Doom character:


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In the Hollow Earth Pellucidar novels which began in 1914 Edgar Rice Burroughs tells of flying reptiles called Mahars. Mahars are the rulers of Pellucidar. They evolved from the pterosaur Rhamphorhynchus. They are far larger than their prehistoric ancestors, and are also able to hypnotise others into doing their bidding as well as having certain scientific knowledge. They keep humans as slaves, food and pets, and their will is carried out by ape-men known as Sagoths. Hero David Innes burrows into Pellucidar and puts a stop to the Mahar tyranny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellucidar

One can even substitute that David Innes character and insert CONAN there.
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