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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 31 Mar - 16:39
One thing you forgot to mention was these bands also took the cheesyness and tried with all their balls turn it into something digne and epic. I just can't feel this image is not ridiculous, sorry, but Is what I feel:
It's allright if you are 8 years old but those guys are mature men who try to sell an image of tough and strong virile dudes... Man, is like they are a bad Italian RIP-OFF of CTB... Really, I simply can't watch an Italian rip-off for more than 10 minutes, man... Because if it's a comdey or a parody, allright, but taken so seriously, and being so cheesy, is like man it's too much for me
Then, I found this article writtien by a fan:
Quote :
LITERATURE BACKGROUND OF MANOWAR -
Know, or Prince, that between the times when the oceans sank Atlantis and the times of the rise of the sons of Aries there was an age undreamed of, when the shining kingdoms laid under the bright stars... Here came Conan, the Cymmerian, sword in hand, who was destined to trample the jeweleed thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet...
(Robert Erwin Howard, The Nemedian Chronicles from Conan the Cymmerian , (Part 1))
The literature which may be considered to be the closest to the realm of Manowar's heroic fantasy stories is, IMO, Robert Howard's Conan saga. I think many of you saw both movies based upon Howard's books (Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer with mighty Schwarz in a leading role). For those who were pissed off while watching the movies - the movies are rather far from not only the narration of Howard's books, but from their style and idea as well. Both movies were way too commercial.
The best piece of art on Earth based upon these 12 books (I don't count endless aping attempts by mostly maronic writers) is songs by Manowar. The info about general affiliation of Joey to Conan saga was provided, as a matter of fact, in Deena Weinstein's book. Among the songs most closely related to the named books Ride the Dragon , Demon's Whip , secret of Steel , Burning , Dark Avenger can be mentioned. As a matter of fact, Conan saga is also indirectly based upon the Viking mythology and history of the Viking invasions in Europe in 8-10 century, the same as a multitude of Manowar songs
( Kill with Power , Battle Hymn , Gates of Valghalla , March for Revenge , Blood of my Enemies , Black Wind, Fire and Steel , Crown and the Ring , Hail and Kill ).
The books never ever mentioned any "discipline of steel", any "secret of steel", any "power of metal" ideology..... That was the MILIUS' movie, not the books, not even the comics.... But the fan say that the movies were bad and "way too commercial", oh my god, and defends that the band has a literary background, my god.... like trying to give them some kind of dignity, I don't get it. Can't have dignity if they admit that were influenced by the movie??
Allright, who cares.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Sun 12 Apr - 4:02
A german band with a sound close to Manowar, called WIZARD - They released an album called ODIN:
Also a band from Chile, called BATTLERAGE. The style is slightly different though still you can notice a huge Manowar influence, the guy has a much more growling voice (though not becoming death-metal) but more like James Heatfield (though not singing as well at all). The music in some songs also takes a lot from Metallica.
The cover from their album STEEL SUPREMACY (a title surely influenced by the Milius' movie, I believe).
Have a song about THE CULT OF DOOM
Quote :
The Cult of Doom
Fire burns in darkness The gates of hell are open wide Enchantments of perversion As the dead will come to life Priests and soul ensalvers Power hunger, evil rites
Beneath the desert Something will awake The Cult of Doom will take you Your soul, the price to pay Darkest secrets Appearing in the night The Cult of Doom will bless you A bloody sacrifice
Lifeless bodies Black energies will now shoe In power and dominion Dark shadows, they will roam Silver daggers Demand a sacrifice of blood
Beneath the desert Something will awake The Cult of Doom will take you Your soul, the price to pay Darkest secrets Appearing in the night The Cult of Doom will bless you A bloody sacrifice
In power and dominion Dark shadows, they will roam Silver daggers Demand a sacrifice of blood Spells of pain and torment Once just carrion, now reborn
Beneath the desert Something will awake The Cult of Doom will take you Your soul, the price to pay Darkest secrets Appearing in the night The Cult of Doom will bless you
Finally, not realted to the Milius' movie at all, but I just wanted to include this one. I do like Metallica, both voice and music. The guys got it all, technique, maniac trash anarako punk parts, brutality, sensibility, good taste, perfect compositions, average good lyrics... And amazing attitude on stage. They did look like vikings (specially the fucking Heatfiled during his last twenties) but weren't ridiculous at all...
Never really went into "sword & sorcery" topics, which I think is perfect IMO. Still they did into violence and brutality, also into medieval imagery like in "Until it sleeps". which interestingly enough used HYERONIMUSH BOSCH paintings. If i'm not wrong OLIVER STONE also was hugely influenced by this painter's work when writting his script for CONAN THE BARBARIAN.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Wed 15 Apr - 9:17
German band called TYRANT.
This album is from 1984.
It's clearly inspired by Frazetta's AGAINST THE GODS,
Though looking at the date (1984) it's highly probable that they also took the inspiration from the Casaro poster, as the movie was highly succesful by that time (and the sequel was going to be released).
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Mon 18 May - 20:16
Karl Sanders with his 2009 album "Saurian Exorcism"
Song titled "CONTEMPLATE THIS IN THE TREE OF WOE"
Excellent one!
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Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Mon 18 May - 20:43
The fur speedo thingy predates CTD though. The preview to CTB attracted all the bikers in leather ect in Las Vegas, so one would imagine all this occurred prior to the CONAN movies. Its either the loincloth or fur diaper, which is stereotypical in the comic book and heroic-fantasy genres I believe, since even Tarzan.
CTD's humor is still basically Arnold humor you'd see in most of his movies, but namely his later ones. Perhaps it shouldve been called CONAN ; Arnold untamed?LOL Well in CTB you do see the same humor present, but he's most of the time he's a big clumsy mute instead. Subotai pokes fun of him in the movie. During Kitchen entrance there was a scene where Subotai makes of Conan because he gets stuck inbetween the rocks--that gladly got trimmed out've the picture. But many times in CTD Arnold would surprise you and he'd right back in true CONAN form. Thing that makes it more awkward was that Arnold was all cut up and his legs were thin but extremely developed, same thing with the rest of his body. His pants often seemingly magically appeared and disappered at different takes and times,lol.
I suppose Barry Windsor Smith's CONAN Arnold in CTD more resembled.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 19 May - 0:51
Hm, you are right, the connection exists before the CTB movie so is probably related to what the S&F heroes symbolically mean. Probably related to that "anti-civilization" concept, and the "no rules but my balls". Also (and I think specially) the freedom.
Is interesting that all those musical/cultural/tribal movements like meatalheads, bykers, punks, etc, came from the same root of the "beat generation" (a bunch of very powerful, cynical and brave poets of the American 50's) which evolutioned in the 60's into the rock'n'roll culture (which Charles Bukowsky would be the literary avatar) with a lot of slighty different versions (from psychedelia to surfing-wave). Milius belong to the surfist-rockers tribe (The Beach Boys and that, you know) though he declared he also admired The Doors (which were in the opposite coast and style) and that he and his friends really loved the Beat poets.
Milius also wrotte and directed a movie called MOTORCYCLE GANG about a bunch of "evil" bykers and so...
Now that I think, Arnold as the Terminator was also closely related to punk (the first one) and "old-style" heavy metal (in the second).
Is true that as "harder" the style of rock is, more masculine energy it wears. It's all about hard dicks and balls, I guess Which is perfectly fine. I guess the guns and the muscles and the masculine heroes are close to hard rock because of that.
Hmmm, see Led Zeppelin had a huge Tolkien influence... And Pink Floyd had a CONAN one!!! Once I found an old poster of a Pink Floyd concert featuring Conan slashing some enemies with a sword. I was truly surprised to find Pink Floyd was related to Conan, I would have never thought that!
The difference between the humor in CTB and in CTD was in CTB it was mixed with a very serious tone, the jokes weren't gratuitous, you didn't really laugh about the character but about the situation (he was too big or too strong or too innocent for the situation he was into) but in CTD the jokes are to explicity tell "this character is an idiot (not innocent) or a retard (not just uneducated) or a psycho (not a warrior)". In CTB you laugh and still love the character, because Milius didn't stole his dignity showing his riduculous side. In CTD there was no dignity but maybe at the end when he throws himself with both weapons in hand to kill the monster, or a couple or moments when the guy is shown as a brave man. The rest of the time in CTD is just a prehistoric bully who speak with camels and can't count to three and puts mongoloid faces when cuts people in half and wears an extremely gaylord costume and wig.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 19 May - 1:00
Now that I think, if Robert Howard would have lived, he could have fit into the Beat generation in 20 years more... Not sure, these guys were heavily into drugs and alcohol but I truly believe his attitude would have perfectly fit with a more mature and cultivated Howard.
Seen that way, if Howard was a pre-Beat poet, and the beat poets influenced hard-rock, VOILÁ! Here's the storyline and the connection!
Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 19 May - 14:51
In some interview around, pretty sure I remember Milius admitting that BIG WEDNESDAY was nothing more than his own personal fantasy and romanticized interpretation of the surfer culture that he was somewhat a part of..and he acknowledged/admitted a more accurate and truthful one wouldve been all the junkies and drugs that were involved in those times as well as today.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 19 May - 18:58
Well the main character is some kind of junkie in BIG WEDNESDAY, though is a likable one... What is truth is in those days the use of drugs had a true philosophy and "sense", in the way of experimentation and exploration of the oneself (you know guys like Timothy Leary and Aldous Huxley who wrotte extensively about the topic) and that is the main difference with a jonkie who searchs for anesthesia meanwhile in theory the use of drugs in these subcultures was the search for conciousness. Anyway, this is also theory/romaticism and the very end of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" (the least romantic thing ever ) says clearly: "We were wrong, we were nothing but jonkies living a dream" or something like that.
Milius doesn't look to condene the use of drugs (see Conan and Subotai) but he doesn't like the anesthesia or the passive state it can give, turning you into a junkie (which is what essentially all these children of doom/hippies were). His all bunch of surfers were closer to anarcho-punk style or to bykers (use of military badges in their clothes, even nazi though not for any ideological affiliation but as the same way punks and bykers used them, just to look scary). In BIG WEDNESDAY Milius himself plays as a drug dealer who sells marihuana to the surfers.
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 16 Jun - 23:02
An AC/DC badge with Frank Frazetta artwork (clic to enlarge):
Btw, the band was also related to ARNOLD, as they recorded a song for the LAST ACTION HERO SOUNDTRACK:
The band GUNS & ROSES also was, as they made another video for T2:
An interview with Schwarzenegger:
The movie also included the song BAD TO THE BONE to describe Schwarzenegger's character:
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Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Thu 25 Jun - 2:47
Rick James, self-proclaimed "King of Punk Funk", on the album "Throwin 'Down" in 1982 on the Motown label.
The photo is made by the photographer Ron Slenzak, credited Ron Larson, who obviously was inspired by the movie released that same year.
It's sort of... well not too serious, to say the least
Funny, I find this right when Chrysagon comments in other thread "what about a black Conan beheading a white Thulsa"
If i'm not wrong, Roy Thomas created the Zula character in the 70's to attract young black guys to the comic -he wrotte something like that in a spanish issue years ago-.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Fri 3 Jul - 16:59
Each time I watch this motherfucker I think "Conan".
He's PETER STEELE of the band "Type O Negative". Crazy guy. (he even posed for Playgirl years ago). The guy's baritone voice is awesome, also the look, could perfectly fit with Conan. And he's fucking huge, a giant. I don't think he can really act, but this is only a fan cast so who cares What I specially like about the idea is not really he looks like Conan (minus green eyes instead of blue) but his connection with his internal beast. This guy looks like he could tear a human heart apart with his own teeth.
The guy has lost a lot, because of alcohol and drugs abuse I suppose, but his new look perfectly fits with a mature Conan, who has lived and suffered like hell. Still is impressive.
I also like his sense of humor. He makes fun of the extreme, of religion and porn. Not an easy task. Clever fucker.
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Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 21 Jul - 0:37
The viking-metal band "EINHERJER":
The song "NAAR HAMMEREN HEVES" from the album "FAR, FAR NORTH".
Wait for minute 4:54 and you will heard something quite familiar.
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 21 Jul - 1:00
"MANILLA ROAD" are an Progressive Metal Rock band from USA with some REH directly inspired songs.
Their album "SPIRAL CASTLE" had a Conan wearing Milius' movie gladiator crown:
conan_collector Pit Fighter
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Tue 20 Oct - 9:25
Frank Marino - Juggernaut
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Mon 9 Nov - 8:21
"BRUTAL LEGEND" is a videogame based on heavy metal. Here's a trailer heavi-ly-inspired ( ) by Conan! The dude's weapon is a gigantic battleaxe and sits at the throne like King Scwarzenegger, at the end:
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conan_collector Pit Fighter
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Sun 13 Dec - 9:53
Ebay find!
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Sat 26 Dec - 14:02
Following the style of the "300" trailer, they have edited the trailer for the "CLASH OF THE TITANS" remake using metal music. (Is that metal, btw? Sounds kind of poppy to me... like Evanescence or something like that )
BTW, the scene of the dark wizards summoning giant scorpions is directly rippoffed from DARK HORSE Conan comics. Awesome.
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Hissar Z Guest
Subject: BAL SAGOTH Thu 25 Feb - 2:07
Just the group's name, Crom's beard!
BAL-SAGOTH
if any havealready heard of the "Gods of Bal-Sagoth"...
song titles & lyrics are rather Kull based: "A Black Moon Broods over Lemuria" "Enthroned in the Temple of the Serpent Kings" "Into The Silent Chambers of the Sapphirean Throne (Sagas from the Antediluvian Scrolls)"
Here is an excerpt taken from the song "Into the Silent Chambers of the Sapphirean etc..":
Quote :
"Thus spake the silent halls of Valusia..."
The Atlantean sword beckons me, And I descend from moon-shrouded skies Into the Tower of the Black Serpent... Tales are told to me now in dreams, Shadowed lyre strings, And sweet whisperings... The grim and glorious battles of warrior kings, (When the earth ran red with the blood of the slain), And the shining realm of Valusia... Carried upon the sweet night winds, Piercing the veil of my delirium, I embrace the rapturous scent of black lotus.
(I hear the lament of the Immortals...)
"Ka nama kaa lajerama, Yagkoolan yok tha xuthalla!"
Even the invocations to "unmask" the serpent men are taken from the Kull stories! A nice tribute indeed.
The music is clearly inspired by Poledouris' score in "Starfire burning the ice veiled throne of Ultima Thule" (although not in the precedent album "A black moon breeds over Lemuria") These themes from the second album will be heard in different variations thereafter, in the following albums.
on wikipedia:
Quote :
Starfire Burning Upon the Ice-Veiled Throne of Ultima Thule is Bal-Sagoth's second full-length album, released in 1996 through Cacophonous Records. In the song titled "And lo, When the Imperium Marches Against Gul-Kothoth, then Dark Sorceries Shall Enshroud the Citadel of the Obsidian Crown," a strong synthesizer melody begins at 4:17. This melody is a variation upon the melody heard in the 1982 film Conan the Barbarian during the scene inside Thulsa Doom's stronghold, composed by Basil Poledouris. Again from the score of Conan the Barbarian, at 00:37 in the track "Recovery" , the theme seems to be faithfully adapted by Bal-Sagoth in the track "In the Raven-Haunted Forests of Darkenhold, Where Shadows Reign and the Hues of Sunlight Never Dance" at 2:02. The band explains their inspiration came mainly from John Williams and Basil Poledouris' scores amongst others, maybe as a tribute.
Just listen to it on youtube and you'll see for yourselves.
Hissar Z Guest
Subject: Yyrkoon copies CTB theme Thu 25 Feb - 2:21
This one passed by UNNOTICED.
The theme from the song "Oniric Transition" taken from the album with the same title, "composed" by the melodic deathmetal band Yyrkoon , copies note for note the same melody heard in Poledouris' track entitled "Orphans of Doom" in Conan the Barbarian, at 1:18 approx.
you can hear it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0FSnInFfY
and the original Poledouris version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4SXng8EtF0
Hissar Z Guest
Subject: Agressor Sat 27 Feb - 5:04
In 1994 ,a frenchie trashmetal group , Agressor, played 3 adapted intrumentals from Poledouris' Conan score on electric guitar on their album"Symposium of rebirth":
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Sun 28 Feb - 16:30
That's cool thanks Hiss
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Wed 17 Mar - 5:56
you guys found some cool bands and cover art in this thread! i found this site looking for info on the new conan movie and thought id share
i have my own music project inspired by the conan movies and conan in general, its called Snakecharmer, i put this ep together in 08 using lots of quotes from the movie and samples of the music from the movie and cartoon series, pretty much everything but the drums/bass/guitar is from something to do with conan
http://www.divshare.com/download/10791776-357heres one track http://www.divshare.com/download/5948871-ccaheres the ep if you want to check it out
Flaming Turd Vanir
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Wed 17 Mar - 13:14
Thanks Dman
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Subject: Re: Metal bands inspired by CONAN 1982 Fri 2 Apr - 12:38