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PostSubject: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 7 Sep - 10:23











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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 7 Sep - 10:49

Late Roman Shield patterns:













http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/NotitiaPatterns.html
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 7 Sep - 11:21



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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 7 Sep - 11:45

Here's a cool image of Hercules battling the serpentine Hydra


Bosio's Hercules and the Lernaean Hydra (1824)

and

Cellini's Perseus

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 7 Sep - 15:16

Nice stuff, Cromulus, thanks !
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sat 8 Sep - 19:07

Your welcome. Wanted to add a few more, but forgot some things.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 13 Sep - 0:16

Minoan Snake Priestess:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 13 Sep - 0:31

The Serpent Column:

The Plataean Tripod, also known as the Delphi Tripod or the Serpent Column, is an ancient Greek sacrificial tripod, originally located in Delphi and later relocated to Constantinople (modern Istanbul).

After the Battle of Plataea, the last battle of the Greco-Persian Wars, Greeks built a bronze column of three intertwined snakes (Greek: Τρικάρηνος Όφις, meaning three-headed snake), whose bodies formed the column, to commemorate the 31 Greek city-states that participated in the battle. According to Herodotus, the bronze column was built using the bronze from the melded-down Persian weapons. A golden tripod was also built using the Persian weapons, and the whole monument was dedicated to the god Apollo and was placed next to the altar of Apollo at Delphi. It was placed on top of a stone base, an inverted Byzantine capital.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Column



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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Thu 13 Sep - 1:05

Medea's Serpent Chariot




The Chthonic Typhon, whom is the assoiated to the Eygptian god Set. The Greco-Roman incarnation is the version which Howard borrowed from, both in look and story/character wise:


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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Sun 28 Oct - 12:33

I found yet another Ancient Corinthian style helmet bearing the symbol.



I would love to know exactly what books and resources Cobb was using, because these styles and symbolism wasnt his or Howards, as claimed.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Fri 9 Nov - 5:02

Move over Rodin, here's Michelangelo...someone say KING CONAN London publicity shots or what?! Twisted Evil


Julio de Medici in Michelangelo's Medici tomb:
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 3:00



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The Ouroboros, also spelled Ourorboros, Oroborus, Uroboros or Uroborus (IPA: [ˌjʊərəʊˈbɒrəs]), is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon swallowing its own tail and forming a circle. It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, unity, or infinity. The ouroboros has been important in religious and mythological symbolism, but has also been frequently used in alchemical illustrations


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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 13:26

Ancient Symbols in Conan:
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/all_seeing_eye/conan/

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 17:31

Yes the "All-Seeing Eye". In the movie it was normally that turquoise blue, must assume its to represent Doom's own blue eyes. Brings to mind that line, "For a thousand years I have watched you".

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The Eye of Providence or the all-seeing eye is a symbol showing an eye surrounded by rays of light or a glory, and usually enclosed by a triangle. It is sometimes interpreted as representing the eye of God keeping watch on humankind (see Divine Providence).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence

Eye of Ra




The All-Seeing Eye or Eye of Providence is quite old indeed. Though I think in the movie it also represents the "Evil Eye", so it has a duel meaning and significance .I know in Italy its called Malocchia, and it goes far back to Ancient Rome and Greece. Other cultures have their version of it as well.

http://www.luckymojo.com/evileye.html
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 18:24

This pretty lady pig is Coatlicue.








As you can see, her "face" is builded with the head of two snakes confronting each other. Can't you see it? Rolling Eyes Ok, show it to the guys, Ahnuld:








Coatlicue is the Mother Goddess in aztec world. Even though she is pretty close to Death -and very probably gory sacrificies were made on her honor- she is not a "devil" or a malevolent entity.





She personifies the hunger and irrational passion of the vagina, and though she eats human flesh, she also gives life. She encarnates the Earth and the forces of nature. She is the Ying and Yang all together. (That's why she is simetrical).





There is another picture of a snake sacred entity formed with the head of two vipers confronting itselves. It's even older than the aztec Coatlicue, as this one comes from the Olmecs, one of the first precolumbian cultures from Central America (the Olmec culture is 3.000 years old while the Aztec is only about 1.000 years old).





(I would like to add that I hate the way precolumbian cultures have allways been pictured, as disgusting brutes which love to sacrifice persons -(see "Apocalypto" for example. Cool movie, yeah? Sure, but how much have you learned from the Mayans. Just bullshit). That is as silly as believen every japanese knows karate. And it has a name. Anyway the human sacrificies of course existed, as the gladiators and slavery in Rome did. But it doesn't mean they are evil. It's a different world with different rules).


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Let's jump into another place where the cult of Thulsa Doom also arrived to poison the souls and the heart of the poor hippies who followed him to the emptiness.



This horned dude is Cernunnos, celtic god of fertility. Maybe you can't see it but he has a very big motherfucking... Mr. Green yes. He was transformed after the arrival of catholicism in a devil, and the pooe witches who still wanted to adore hi... Mr. Green yes, where burned like bacon. Church doesn't like that somebody finds that part of men... Mr. Green yes, as holy. (But, hey, what's more sacred than... Mr. Green yes).




Cernunnos is closely related to snakes. You can see he holds one in his left hand. The important thing is what he holds in the right. It's a TORQUE, a celtic metallic collar, for males.








What's up with it? It is a stylized version of a snake, as you can see in this another picture of the Horned God (with big... Mr. Green yes).





Sometimes the torque is represented as a snake with two heads, curved until they practically confront each other. See these images of Slaine, the celtic warrior -(also known as "The Horned God", a human avatar of Cernunnos).

















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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 18:38

Cobb gave Thulsa Doom Celtic stylized interconnecting knots and designs at times, some times using the snakes orm normal variation.. some of them can be seen on certain clothing--like some of Doom's robes and ornaments.

Its used on this board too as banner:



Another version was used on a un-used CONAN shield:

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Hey Turd check out the Namer(Scorpion King) palette:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 19:02

Roman snake bracelet from the 4th century BC, they had alot've variations of these.



The Orgy chamber they use alot've historical(Biblical movie) generic props.
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 19:28

CONAN's dagger looks extremely close to the SS Honor Dagger. The Father's sword is said have gotten the writing off of historical German Executioners ax or something, however this SS dagger also has writing on it too.








We know Milius is a big WW2 fanatic.

That interconnecting design on the buckle is very close to the one used on a un-used CONAN shield pattern seen in one of the preproduction galleries, either on this forum or the CE DVD.

It seemed to have been retained on this cut out costume with the Princess Yasmina:

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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 19:45

Also on the note of Freemasonry Symbolism in CONAN. The part when the Father holds up the Sword against the Cimmerian sky, it looked clearly to me like a Obelisk. When I was younger, I always thought it looked like the Washington Monument:




The Obelisk of Tuthmosis III , now placed in former Constantinople(modern Istanbul) by the Roman Emperor Theodosius the Great:
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PostSubject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN   Mon 19 Nov - 20:18

Well, i'm pretty sure that the obelisk and the image of the father holding the sword up to the sky has a close related meaning. In pagan terms, of course.

The obelisk is obvioulsy a phalic symbol, emerging from the Earth and rising up to the sky, where it desires to put its energy -(semen). The sky could also put its energy in the obelisk in the form of lighting.

The father holding his sword up to the sky -(FATHER with his tool, obvioulsy another phalic symbol)- is the same: he wants to bless his sword. The sky can also bendice it with lightings.

They both images are the comunion between the Earth and the Sky, being the "obelisk" or the "father with a sword" the connection between them both, and the receiver and keeper of both powers.

Somehow it also is related to the Riddle of Steel -mixing of iron an carbon producing a new material- that is incarnated in the man who holds it, himself.

It also is related to the idea of the Superhuman of Nietzsche, a mix of heaven and hell, angel and demon, ying and yang, child and man.


So it's normal when you saw a relation there, man. Wink
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