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Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Thu 31 Jan - 18:32 | |
| - Cromulus The Destroyer wrote:
- Hopi Indians of Arizona also uses whips for much the same reasons.
A illustration of a Late Middle Ages procession of Flagellants traveling across Europe, beating each other and themselves in penance for their sins and those of society.
That is interesting. Do you actually know if they use the body of snakes as a whip? Hopi tribes pratice the "dances of the serpent" where they use living vipers, and they are oftne bitten by them. They have some quind of immunity to the poison. They actually DON'T WORSHIP the snakes. The snakes are a tool to enter in contact with their ancestors and to bring rain. "The Snake Dance requires two weeks of ritual preparation, and the snakes are gathered. They are kept watch over by children until time for the dance. By percentage of the local snake population most are rattlesnakes, but all are handled freely. The dancers then take an emetic and dance with the snakes in their mouths, with an Antelope Priest in attendance. He strokes the snakes with a feather and sometimes helps support the weight of the larger snakes. After the dance the snakes are released to carry prayers. According to people who have investigated, the emetics are not an anti-venom". A Hopi snake priest. The people from Peru seemed to practice a similar dance, but here with a boa. I think the use of self-flagellation in the Milius' movie could be a stylisthic use of the "sadistic meaning", giving a morbid and "degenerated" image to the cult. That could be related to the later shown practice of orgies and cannibalism. It's a way to describe the cult as one that practices "sexual aberrations". Also, the homosexual priests gives the audience the same feeling. And even the sacrifice of nude virgins to a giant snake that devours them has some kind of "sick sexuality". All this, of course, is the old catholic point of view in sexuality, that labels as "aberration" any kind of sex that is not destined to procreation. But today it's not a surprise to find that John Milius is a conservative thinker. Apart from that, i find much more interesting the original meaning of self-flagelation, as "a penation for their sins and those of the society". I allways found the "Cult of Doom" as some kind of false "anti-system" party -wich is moslty what all the sects are even today-. They talk a lot about "how bad our society goes" and they claim to have the solution. Doom is allways talking about some kind of "awakening", in the councious. That is what all these candles mean, specially the candle he holds, in the end. In methaphisic terms, that would the the "Third Eye". [quote]The third eye (also known as the inner eye) is a metaphysical and esoteric concept referring in part to the ajna (brow) chakra in certain Eastern and Western spiritual traditions. It is also spoken of as the gate that leads within to inner realms and spaces of higher consciousness. In New Age spirituality, the third eye may alternately symbolize a state of enlightenment or the evocation of mental images having deeply-personal spiritual or psychological significance. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.[/quote] Now this is very interesting as the "3th eye" is closely related to the reptile brain -that we all still have, in some part of our actual primate brain-. There is a lizard in New Zeland, the "tuatara", who has a very big "third eye" under the skin of its forehead. The SNAKES also have a very evolutioned third eye, reason why they can "see" without light. They "see" the warm of the bodies of their possible victims, in some kind of PREDATOR "heat vision" way. Here is Rexor, who wears an "oureboros" symbol in his forehead, probably as a "Third Eye" symbol. -remember this was the Temple of the EYE of the serpent. Same way as hindú people wears the famous "dot", in their foreheads, the "Third Eye" again. Hindu king. Simbols of the EYE in the Cult of Doom. In egipcian symbolism we also find a SNAKE EMERGING FROM THE THIRD EYE. This symbol is also found in tantra, where the snake emerging from the third eye indicates that the kundalini energy has been awakened (the unawakened kundalini energy is depicted as a coiled serpent at the base of the spine). Now I think that Doom label their "children" as "illuminted" who have opened their "third eyes", who have "embraced emptiness". That emptiness would be the "seeing" of the reality". That reality -system- is of course corrupted and should be changed. The way that it has to change is through murder -they must murder their parents and their kings. Is an intelligent strategy to make an army, and eliminate with them the stablished power. And after that, the "Childrem of Doom" would possible commite suicide. That way Doom would rule the world with a couple of generals he chosed -probably Rexor and Throgrim and some others-. Actually is unknown the true plan of Doom. | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Thu 31 Jan - 19:10 | |
| I dont know off hand if the Hopi Indians used those snakes as whips. ______________ From CONAN THE BARBARIAN script 3rd Draft Page 35 THE FLAGELLANTS
Young men are beating themselves with snakeskin whips, into which barbs have been inserted. They bleed pro-fusely and walk as if dazed, chanting, while young girls walk amongst them, swinging huge smoke-pots of thick incense. Conan walks up, almost to them, but they do not notice. Their expressions are vacant.
FLAGELLANTS DOOM... DOOM... RAMA... DOOM... RAMA... DOOM...
Conan stares at them, then turns away. Of course barbed whips were very common, especially as a means of torture or corporal punishment's in the ancient and medieval armies. *The Rama Doom part I am not sure what that was about. The Set followers I assume thought he was like some Hindu avatar, but there were a few Rama and Rammon or Ram-Amon characters from Marvel Comics. There was Rama-Tut(aka Kang the Conqueror) from marvel comics: The Hindu God Rama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama ________________ What I find interesting here is that Cobb stylized the eye lids to resemble lips | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Thu 31 Jan - 23:37 | |
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| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 2 Feb - 18:43 | |
| - Cromulus The Destroyer wrote:
FLAGELLANTS DOOM... DOOM... RAMA... DOOM... RAMA... DOOM...
That could be another highly interesting research. Rama is the ideal conception of manhood. (So, for their followers, THULSA DOOM would be the ideal of manhood, meanwhile for Milius and for the audience that ideal is clearly CONAN. Now we have the game of dualitys again). Apparently RAMA wears a bow. Also, he is anti-violence. GHANDI was strongly inspired by RAMA's lessons. (Maybe the Children of Doom are lied, and believe to be in a pacifist cult. That could be connected with the idea of hippism. Doom's Cult would be a false Hippy cult). - Quote :
- Rama is always shown with a bow (called Kodanda) on his shoulder. As per Valmiki Ramayana, Sita once enquired as to why her Lord, Rama always carried a bow with him. Sita was upset with Rama's promise to sages that he offer protection while they performed their sacrificial rituals and therefore petitioned Rama that 'We are in the forest and we should live life of sages so why wield this weapon?'. Sita then narrated a story about an ancient sage who became violent simply by having a weapon in his possession (in this case a sword). Rama smiled and promised to Sita that he would never attack anybody unless the other person provokes him to do so, a promise that he kept throughout his life. In fact he had always given two chances to his enemies Tataka, Maarich, Vali and even Ravana. He even offered a peace treaty to Ravana before starting the war. Angada took his peace message to Ravana which was declined.
I also remember that in "INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM", the followers sang some kind of chant mentioning RAMA. They where thuggies, the real historical cult that inspired the Sect of Thulsa Doom. i don't know why they mention RAMA in this chantics, as I don't understand a word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNAXLFZ2eU That is KALI, the Dark Mother - related with the aztec COATLICUE, if you remember, she was depicted as a mountrous creature which face was made up with two snakes confronting each other. Kali the dark mother, is related to "cruel animals" like SNAKES. Also, in one ancient tale KALI is transformed into a SERPENT. Here in the movie, the goddess is related to COBRAS. The leader of the Cult of Kali. - Cromulus The Destroyer wrote:
What I find interesting here is that Cobb stylized the eye lids to resemble lips
This art -(by the artist CAM DE LEON)- shows the THIRD EYE with eye lids that also resemble female genitalia. The THIRD EYE is closely related to sexual energy, as the Kundalini, the energy that opens it, is born in the sexual part of the body. More about the "THIRD EYE", that people who meditates tries to "open". The KUNDALINI is the fluid of energy that comes from the sex throught the spine, and ends in the top of the head. It is represented as a SNAKE. When that energy flows, it OPENS the third eye when as it arrives to the head. That moment is called CLARITY or ILLUMINATION. Meditation opens the chakras -(seven points of energy in the body, the THIRD EYE is one of them). As the KUNDALINI energy flows throguth the spine, they are slowly being opened. In that moment of inmense power and concentration, the shaman becomes one with the universe, so the physics and chemicals of the "normal world" could be avoided. The shamans are said that could even turn into an animal, if they desired to. Here he turns into the KUNDALINI itself: | |
| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 2 Feb - 19:08 | |
| Apparetly, the egipctian god SETH was an enemy of OSIRIS, ISIS and HORUS, the three main gods. SETH was also the brother of OSIRIS. - Quote :
- In the legend of Osiris, Seth lures his brother into a trap and murders him, sending his body floating away on the Nile. Isis searches for, and eventually finds the body.
Here a page about the biblical and egiptian SETH: http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/sethians.html SETH was the god of confusion -clearly, THULSA DOOM is a liar-. SETH teaching OSIRIS how to use a bow. The Seth Triad Seth Triad (Seth, Neith, and Sobek) Seth - The wicked brother of Osiris, Seth was associatd with chaos, infertility and the desert. He was the son of Nut. In some Dynasties he was honored as the essential chaos that must form a necessary duality with order. Kings in the Nineteenth and Twentieth Dynasties incorporated his name (Seti). Neith - Was an ancient goddess who rose to prominence during the Twenty-sixth Dynasty when the ruling family chose Sais as the Capital of Egypt. Her shield and crosssed arrows was an ancient symbol found on objects from the First Dynasty. She wears the Red Crown of Lower Egypt. She, Isis, Nephythys and Selket, the scorpion goddess were the funerary goddesses who protected the "Sons of Horus" who watched over the internal organs of the deceased. Neith protected Duamutef who protected the stomach and upper intestines. Sobek - the crocodile god, was associated with the might of the Pharaoh. He was worshiped as a solar diety as Sobek-Re. | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 2 Feb - 19:19 | |
| 1983's ADVENTURES OF CONAN: SWORD AND SORCERY SPECTACULAR, also followed somewhat the first movie's theme, of a Setian mage and a Set showing up at the finale. | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 2 Feb - 21:06 | |
| The Minoan Snake-goddess Ariadne; reproduction: http://www.somaluna.com/prod/minoan_snake_goddess_ariadne_statue.asp 2004's Olympic Games held in Athens--Minoan dances: | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 0:51 | |
| Check out the goddess Cybele: Neolithic goddess from Anatolia( Catalhoyuk,Turkey) also flanked by two lions(females this time): | |
| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 2:11 | |
| I guess you posted the babylonian steles because of the sun-moon symbols, right? I founded this: ArchaeoastronomyArchaeoastronomy, together with ethnoastronomy and related disciplines, seeks to measure a culture's interest in celestial matters by investigating its astral lore, sacred rituals, calendrical systems, and architectural structures. With ever increasing knowledge about the belief-systems of ancient and aboriginal cultures, it has become obvious that celestial matters played a central role in their intellectual life and cultural institutions. Veneration of the most prominent celestial bodies is well attested already at the dawn of history in Mesopotamia and Egypt. Much the same belief-system is apparent in Mesoamerica, where the observation and worship of the various planets formed a virtual obsession. Ur-Nammu (or Ur-Namma, Ur-Engur, ca. 2112-2095 BC) founded the Sumerian 3rd dynasty of Ur, in southern Mesopotamia, following several centuries of Akkadian and Gutian rule. Star and Crescent of Harran coin Sign of sin Stele of Ur-Nammu -(notice the crescent moon, under a sun)-. Ziggurat of Ur-Nammu More steles with SUN/MOON symbols. At the left, Babylonian myth of the creation of the world. The deities were surmounted by SIN, and ascended by NABU, the WISE SERPENT -(notice the serpent is close to the SUN and MOON symbols)-. Comparisons of BABYLON cities with MILIUS' MOVIE civilization of ZAMORA:
Babylon gardens -(Tower of Babel in the background). BABYLONIAN LIONS. Ancient Babylonian Lions Ca. 6,000 B.C.The NEBRA disk.The Nebra sky disk is a bronze disk of around 30 cm diameter, patinated blue-green and inlaid with gold symbols. These are interpreted generally as a sun or full moon, a lunar crescent, and stars (including a cluster interpreted as the Pleiades). The disk is attributed to a site near Nebra, Saxony-Anhalt in Germany, and associatively dated to c. 1600 BC. It has been associated with the Bronze Age Unetice culture.
The more precise dating of the Nebra skydisk, however, depended upon the dating of a number of Bronze Age weapons which were offered for sale with the disk and said to be from the same site. These axes and swords can be typologically dated to the mid 2nd millennium BC (Unetice culture).Swords founded with the Nebra Disk.Prehistoric Petroglyphs of the Sun How is it possible to explain the wheel-like "spokes" (typically four or eight in number) of this supposed solar-petroglyph by reference to the current sun? And yet this very image occurs throughout the ancient world! Most perplexing, perhaps, is the fact that such images occur in Neolithic contexts and thus predate by several millennia the invention of spoked wheels. This one looks like the WHEEL OF PAIN. - (and also reminds the celtic steles from the North of Spain, that also were sun symbols)-. COULD BE THE "WHEEL OF PAIN" A SUN SYMBOL?? (We must remember what the MILIUS' script said, "Conan's father was the LIGHT OF DAY, Thulsa Doom was THE NIGHT"). [img]https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img352/1843/pndnt028vdoa9.jpg[/img Celtic steles from CANTABRIA -(North of SPAIN). Another image of the SUN WHEEL, now in a AZTEC calendar.[/url] Very interesting you mentioned CIBELES. This is a very famous statue in MADRID, she rides a chariot with two lions. The WHEELS of the chariot are supposedly symbols of the SUN and the MOON, again. Sun Wheel in the crescent of moon. In the helmet of Thulsa Doom we find again the same concept, and here is in the forehead, maybe a new reference to the THIRD EYE. Also, in this pendant, the THIRD EYE looks like a combination of the SUN and the CRESCENT MOON.Is even more clear in this another preproduction artwork, the SUN is clearly a shinning THIRD EYE. | |
| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 2:18 | |
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| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 2:43 | |
| Yeah! Well Conan's necklace is an obvoius ship's wheel, which is a relatively modern invention though. A more symbolic usage would of course be some kinda solar symbol, as used since the Mesolithic, but more frequent in the Bronze age, coinciding with the development of the wheel and with the introduction of the chariot. Here's Apollo with the solar disc--Which bears a remarkable resemblance to Star War's Imperial Insignia..no doubt designed by Ron Cobb too: The Vatican St. Peter's square : 24 Stone Sun wheels at Konark, India: __________ CONAN shield from the Mounds: Elamite Wheel from Chogha Zanbil, modern day Iran: | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 4:24 | |
| Appears Conan wears the Wheel of Life on his neck, who knew the Vanir were Buddists?! lol Dhammacakka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra ____________ Nice Greek Pottery: Ancient Siclian women-one is holding a sun symbol: Helios on his chariot Jesus from Monreale Cathedral, Sicily - Typical Roman representation of him, with having the classic Sun wheel behind his head
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| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| | | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 6:19 | |
| - Flaming Turd wrote:
The architecture is clearly a Ron Cobb's imitation from the Milius' movie: Wouldnt surprise me, if he worked on it. I think Milius produced it, Basil scored it, and Jody Samson supplied the weapons for it too. It was one of their biggest hits from 1983-1993. | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 6:45 | |
| Here's a Roman Solar mosaic which also has the Comacine knot, also known as the "Solomon knot": - Quote :
- The image at right is the most common of several decorative devices referred to as "Solomon's Knot," a simple design of interlaced, endless loops.
This particular design is very ancient, and appears all over the architecture of the ancient world, and further back, in stone-age carvings.
The design is frequently used in the designs of ancient synagogues, which probably gave rise to the symbol's association with King Solomon. Interlaced designs of this type took much skill to execute; reportedly, this symbol was a particular hallmark of the medieval Italian stonemasons known as the Comacines,* who imbued it with mystical meaningi, a symbol of eternal motion and the intertwining of space and time.
Solomon's knot is related to the swastika and the shield knot; the knot is often interchangable for these solar emblems.
* According to Masonic lore, the Comacines were the forerunners of the Freemasons. http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefssolomonsknot.htm The Scandinavians also used a similar one called St. Hans/St. John's cross: ____________________________________ I have to admit this shot always boggled my mind a bit, as why is Thulsa Doom doing the Roman salute on horseback? Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius: | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 9:03 | |
| This one image is very fascinating as its overloaded with various symbolism. We have, the 8 legged horse(symbolizing infinity), The Unicursal Hexagram is used again(which Cobb uses for Crom/Conan), the Roman Eagle(Power and infinity), a Celtic knot(infinity) and Spider(which symbolizes infinity, the moon and treachery): Sleipnir, the steed of Odin: - Quote :
- the legendary eight-legged horse belonging to Odin, the Father-God of the Norse pantheon. Sleipnir carries Odin between the world of the Gods and the world of matter. The eight legs symbolize the directions of the compass, and Sleipnir's ability to travel through land and air. According to legend, Sleipnir is the offspring of the God Loki and the horse of the Giants, Svaldifari.
Mycenaean Pottery: Wiki has an article on it with an interesting tidbit: - Quote :
- Although rare, it has been seen, both in ancient and contemporary times. Julius Caesar raised and rode just such a horse in a number of battles after it was declared an omen of good luck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleipnir Yaro is connected to the spider, and uses such symbolism as both King Osric and Shadizar is under the control of Yaro the black spider. A giant spider was also to have been seen in the Tower of the Serpent in the 2nd draft. The Spider is related to the Scorpio in the Zodiac and mythology, its associated with the infinity as it has 8 legs and spins the web of creation. In Christianity its largely considered evil. Arachne in Greek mythology, lives forever in the form of a spider. - Quote :
- Spiders are weavers and tricksters. They symbolize fate, female energy, creative energy, female energy, wisdom, creativity, new life, entanglement, caution, divine inspiration, starting a project, becoming pregnant, being industrious, warning signals, illusions. They are connected to Ishtar, Atargatis, Athene, the Fates, the Norns, Holda, Inktomi, Kokyangwuti, Tsitsicnako and Sussistanako and Neith.
A lot of the symbolism associated with Spider can be seen in her form. Her body is made up roughly of a figure eight which, laid on it's side, is the symbol for infinity. Infinity is like the wheel of life, constantly flowing in a continuous cycle from one circle to the other. She is also associated with death and rebirth, not only with the shape of her body but with the eating of the male after mating. She is both a feminine and lunar energy. Her constant building of new webs have been tied by some to the waxing and waning of the moon. The glistening web also has very strong symbology, signifying the tapestry of the universe and the infinate possibilities of creation. http://www.crystalinks.com/scorpio.html | |
| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 14:22 | |
| - Cromulus The Destroyer wrote:
CONAN shield from the Mounds:
Actually, it is a CIMMERIAN shield, not from the mongol mounds. The shield that Conan uses in the Mounds is this. I don't recognise the symbol... Do you? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting SUN WHEEL behind Christ's head, true. In this picture, the photographer seems to have used the same symbolism, maybe to sacralize the image of the king Osric. Another strong symbol of power is the EAGLE. Is a symbol of GOD. It represents the light of the SUN, also. -(Again, we have a lot of solar symbols, in the main male heroes). PICTISH stone carving, featuring an EAGLE. -(Scotland) Zeus, whose symbol was an EAGLE -(clearly a symbol of HIGH ROYALTY). Plate, 500 BC. The silver eagle was the ensign of the Roman Legion and the symbol of its power. The legatus was the officer in charge, and he would assign an aquilifer who was the soldier that would carry the aquila (eagle) into battle. If the eagle was captured the legion would disband. It is interesting that Julius Caesar personally sanctified the eagle when the legion was brought forth. On one of the legion standards the powerful talons of the eagle are gripping golden thunderbolts, as the eagle stands ready for flight against all enemies of Rome. At the very top of the standard above the eagle is a gold bar with the inscription SPQR (Senatus Populus Romanus) honoring the Senate and the People. The ancient Roman eagle is important in the study of Biblical archaeology. As with the ancient Hebrews the eagle symbolizes divinity, the bird that comes from above. Ganymede with EAGLE. Visigoth eagles. Symbol of the first French empire. Another imperial French eagle -(1815) Aztec eagles. -(The eagles were a sacred symbol for warriors. There was an "eagle" order of knights, in aztec and also in mayan cultures). Eagle eating hearts of sacrificed victims. (Aztec). In Mexico, the EAGLE (THE REASON) eats the SERPENT (THE IRRATIONAL). It's a very meaning symbol, as the "Light of the Day and Reason" devours the "Irrational Fears of the Night". After that, the eagle turns into a "feathered serpent". That is pretty close related to this old imagery, of the "LIGHT" defeating the "EVIL". Standard from a KING in NAVARRA -(Spain, Middle Ages). Another heraldic symbol from Spain, MIDDLE AGES. More medieval heraldic. More NAZI eagles. -(clearly taken from ancient ROME), | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Mon 4 Feb - 20:29 | |
| - Flaming Turd wrote:
- Actually, it is a CIMMERIAN shield, not from the mongol mounds.
HAHAHA true, however it was used a total of 3 times throughout the movie. Once more in Shadizar when Conan and Subutai are looking at a sword from that black merchant, its seen on Conan's leftside(far left in widescreen) in the background. Also again its seen during Conan arrival at the Mounds, we see a mounted skeleton warrior holding the very same shield. I remember talking to Mightymct on that shield, I had once thought it was a chariot wheel at the mounds, now I know why. | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Fri 8 Feb - 5:31 | |
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| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Fri 8 Feb - 6:15 | |
| This Wheel of Life/Wheel of Pain tarot also uses the Ram, from over on page 7: ________ Continuing from page 6's Greek shield patterns: | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Fri 8 Feb - 21:01 | |
| Two sites here with some more "Corinthian" style helmets:
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Greek_World/men_weapons.html
http://www.stockphotofinder.com/stock-photos/c/corinthian_helmet.html | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 9 Feb - 13:34 | |
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| | | AOster Turanian War Officer
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sat 9 Feb - 16:51 | |
| I'm sure you have been here by now: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/all_seeing_eye/conan/index.html found this here: http://hem.passagen.se/kjnoren/jordan/intro.html | |
| | | Cromulus The Destroyer Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Thu 14 Feb - 10:42 | |
| The Serpent god Glykon: - Quote :
- The cult of the snake god Glykon was introduced in in the mid-second century CE by the Greek prophet Alexander of Abonutichus. This is, at least, what we can deduce from the writings by the Greek author Lucian of Samosata (c.120-c.190), who devoted an extremely hostile (and extremely amusing) pamphlet to the charlatan he called Alexander the oracle monger.
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- The prophet Alexander brought the god, a very large snake, to his home town Abonutichus in Paphlagonia and built a temple, which became an important oracle.
http://www.livius.org/gi-gr/glykon/glykon.html | |
| | | Flaming Turd Vanir
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| Subject: Re: Historical Art and Symbolism inspiration in CONAN Sun 17 Feb - 3:14 | |
| Detail of a stone wall into Palacio da Pena (Sintra, Portugal). Info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pena_Palace | |
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